{"id":7250,"date":"2012-10-16T13:42:43","date_gmt":"2012-10-16T17:42:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/elizabethmaymp.ca?p=7250"},"modified":"2012-11-02T15:48:00","modified_gmt":"2012-11-02T19:48:00","slug":"opposition-motion-omnibus-legislation-4","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/elizabethmaymp.ca\/fr\/opposition-motion-omnibus-legislation-4\/","title":{"rendered":"Motion de l’opposition \u2014 Les projets de loi omnibus"},"content":{"rendered":"

Elizabeth May<\/strong> : Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, j’invoque le R\u00e8glement. Que le ministre m’excuse, mais j’estime que son expos\u00e9, quoique fascinant, sur le sort des gouvernements europ\u00e9ens s’\u00e9loigne beaucoup de ce qui nous occupe, \u00e0 savoir si la Chambre doit se prononcer, se r\u00e9unir en comit\u00e9 et trouver des fa\u00e7ons d’instaurer des r\u00e8gles et des balises qui feraient en sorte que les projets de loi omnibus n’aient pas plus qu’une seule utilit\u00e9. Selon moi, l’expos\u00e9 du ministre ne porte pas du tout sur la question dont la Chambre est saisie.<\/p>\n

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L’hon. Ted Menzies<\/strong> : Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, une petite part seulement de mon expos\u00e9 porte sur la situation de l’Europe. Nous pourrions certainement en discuter davantage, mais, selon moi, je fais le lien entre deux situations. L’Europe \u00e9prouve encore des difficult\u00e9s parce qu’elle n’a pas pu adopter de lois qui lui auraient permis de r\u00e9agir \u00e0 la crise \u00e9conomique mondiale. J’essaie d’expliquer que nous avions besoin de la mesure l\u00e9gislative globale qui a \u00e9t\u00e9 adopt\u00e9e \u00e0 la Chambre au printemps dernier. Nous en avons besoin d’une autre. Il y a encore beaucoup de choses \u00e0 faire. En fait, je ne fais qu’expliquer pourquoi nous devons pr\u00e9senter des mesures l\u00e9gislatives globales, en discuter et les adopter.<\/p>\n

Le pr\u00e9sident suppl\u00e9ant (M. Barry Devolin)<\/strong> : Je remercie le ministre d’\u00c9tat aux Finances et la d\u00e9put\u00e9e de Saanich\u2014Gulf Islands de leurs interventions. Je crois comprendre que la question de la pertinence a surgi plus t\u00f4t en matin\u00e9e, avant que je n\u2019occupe le fauteuil, \u00e0 partir de midi. J\u2019ai deux points \u00e0 faire valoir, dont le premier est d\u2019ordre g\u00e9n\u00e9ral alors que le second est plus pr\u00e9cis.<\/p>\n

Disons de fa\u00e7on g\u00e9n\u00e9rale qu\u2019il y a dans le R\u00e8glement des dispositions sur la pertinence et les r\u00e9p\u00e9titions. Il est juste de dire que, au fil des ans, ceux qui occupent le fauteuil ont adopt\u00e9 une interpr\u00e9tation plut\u00f4t souple de ces deux principes parce que la pr\u00e9sidence ne veut pas restreindre ind\u00fbment les d\u00e9bats \u00e0 la Chambre ni priver les d\u00e9put\u00e9s de la possibilit\u00e9 de pr\u00e9senter des faits qui, \u00e0 leur sens, sont importants et pertinents. Il arrive que la pr\u00e9sidence invite les d\u00e9put\u00e9s \u00e0 revenir au sujet \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9tude, mais je pense qu’il est juste de dire que, depuis plus de huit ans que je si\u00e8ge \u00e0 la Chambre, la pr\u00e9sidence a adopt\u00e9 une interpr\u00e9tation plut\u00f4t large du principe de la pertinence. Il me semble \u00e9galement juste d\u2019ajouter que, lorsque les d\u00e9put\u00e9s livrent une intervention de 10 ou 20 minutes, ils utilisent souvent des exemples ou invoquent des arguments qui s\u2019\u00e9loignent du sujet principal dont la Chambre est saisie, mais il leur appartient d\u2019\u00e9tablir le lien avec la question \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9tude.<\/p>\n

J\u2019invite tous les d\u00e9put\u00e9s \u00e0 faire deux choses.<\/p>\n

D\u2019abord, lorsqu\u2019ils font une intervention \u00e0 la Chambre, les d\u00e9put\u00e9s ne doivent pas perdre de vue la question \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9tude, mais plut\u00f4t respecter le sujet du d\u00e9bat et le processus. La Chambre n\u2019en travaillera que mieux si tous les d\u00e9put\u00e9s font un effort de bonne foi \u00e0 cet \u00e9gard.<\/p>\n

Deuxi\u00e8mement, je voudrais rappeler \u00e0 tous les d\u00e9put\u00e9s qui souhaiteraient une interpr\u00e9tation beaucoup plus stricte de la r\u00e8gle de la pertinence, et l\u2019application par la pr\u00e9sidence d\u2019une d\u00e9finition beaucoup plus \u00e9troite, que cela aurait des cons\u00e9quences qui d\u00e9passent le sujet \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9tude \u00e0 la Chambre.<\/p>\n

Je demande \u00e0 tous les d\u00e9put\u00e9s de pr\u00e9server l\u2019\u00e9quilibre entre les deux principes. Si je me fie \u00e0 mon exp\u00e9rience, je peux dire que, la plupart du temps, les d\u00e9put\u00e9s y arrivent tr\u00e8s bien. Il est vrai que certains prennent de grands d\u00e9tours pour en arriver au sujet, mais ils finissent par le faire la plupart du temps.<\/p>\n

J\u2019ai cependant une r\u00e9flexion plus pr\u00e9cise \u00e0 faire. J\u2019ai examin\u00e9 la transcription des d\u00e9bats qui ont eu lieu plus t\u00f4t. Lorsque la question de la pertinence a \u00e9t\u00e9 soulev\u00e9e et que le ministre d\u2019\u00c9tat a pris la parole, j\u2019ai \u00e9cout\u00e9 tr\u00e8s attentivement ses propos pour en \u00e9valuer la pertinence. Sans aborder le fond du d\u00e9bat qui occupe la Chambre aujourd\u2019hui, je dirai qu\u2019une question se pose au sujet de la pertinence, lorsqu\u2019il s\u2019agit de projets de loi omnibus ou d\u2019ensemble, et on peut se demander \u00e0 quel moment ces mesures deviennent inacceptables. Une proposition pr\u00e9cise a \u00e9t\u00e9 faite, soit que la Chambre renvoie la question au Comit\u00e9 de la proc\u00e9dure et des affaires de la Chambre pour qu\u2019il rende une d\u00e9cision.<\/p>\n

Le ministre d\u2019\u00c9tat a dit qu\u2019il d\u00e9sapprouve la motion \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9tude aujourd\u2019hui \u2014 que, \u00e0 son avis, les projets de loi omnibus ou d\u2019ensemble ne sont pas, en soi, inacceptables ou d\u00e9plac\u00e9s. Il a ajout\u00e9 que des questions comme le budget et les projets de loi d\u2019ex\u00e9cution des budgets ont forc\u00e9ment une large port\u00e9e. C\u2019est pourquoi il votera contre la motion.<\/p>\n

Je m\u2019attends maintenant \u00e0 ce que le ministre d\u2019\u00c9tat donne des exemples pr\u00e9cis pour illustrer son opinion, soit, essentiellement, que des projets de loi d\u2019ensemble sont n\u00e9cessaires et qu’il n\u2019est pas d\u2019accord avec ceux qui avancent qu\u2019ils sont inacceptables et qu\u2019il faudrait modifier les r\u00e8gles. Je respecte le fait que d\u2019autres d\u00e9put\u00e9s ne sont pas d\u2019accord avec le ministre.<\/p>\n

L\u00e0-dessus, j\u2019invite le ministre d’\u00c9tat aux Finances \u00e0 poursuivre, \u00e0 tenir compte de la r\u00e8gle de la pertinence, \u00e0 traiter de la question \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9tude, soit la motion de l\u2019opposition, et \u00e0 terminer son intervention.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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